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leader eric cantor was on morning joe talking about the grover norquist tax pledge and whether he like other republicans would be willing to jump ship. here is his answer. >> there is a lot that has been said about this pledge and i will tell you when i go to the constituents that have elected and re-elected me, it is not about that pledge. it really is about trying to solve problems. >> the majority of those who distanced themselves from norquist so far have been senate gop members, not house gop members. do you think that speaker boehner and congressman cantor, do you think they can make any leeway with the caucus on a tax increase? >> well, only time will tell. this is the big question. you're asking the big question because the speaker has set the right tone. now it is time for the right substance. now it is time for the speaker to put his plan on the table. after all, the president hasn't been secret about his plan. the president's plan is there for everybody to see, every american can go to the president's budget plan to see his combination of tax increases on the wealthy in addi
of republicans break with grover norquist on this anti-tax pledge. now, whether you see some equivalent movement on the democratic and liberal side on entitlement reform, that's where the key to the deal will be. >> eamon, we'll get to grover. i want to go to jody first on the idea of wealthier people paying their share. as the obama campaign and obama white house, do you think they have found the right balance on messaging about their millionaire friends who are willing to pay more? >> they're certainly more successful than they were during the debt negotiations in the summer of 2011. some democrats are saying, it's okay, we can go over the fiscal cliff, things will be easier for us that way. i'm not sure if that's true when you look at the president. the president has such a rare chance here. the debt ceiling crisis was the nadear of the obama administration. he had come to washington to unify the city and yet he couldn't get republicans and democrats to sit down and agree to a common sense agreement. he has the chance to do that now. there is a developing consensus to raise taxes in washingto
grover norquist warns republicans against breaking their promise. >> it is possible if the republicans lose in such a way they've got their fingerprints on the murder weapon, then you have a problem. bush couldn't run again in '92 successfully because he had his fingerprints on a very bad deal, bad on spending and bad on taxes and he broke his word. >> what is alan simpson's message to grover? we'll ask him in a few minutes. >> how do you deal with guys who came to stop government or grover wandering the earth in his white robe saying he wants to drown government in the bathtub. i hope he slips in there with it. >> susan rice back for more on capitol hill with failing to persuade more republican senators. >> i would need to have additional information before i could support her nomination. i think it will be premature for me to reach that judgment now. >> i would just ask the president to step back. >> senate republican kelly ayotte, who has threatened to block a rice nomination, joins us ahead. and powerball fever sweeping the nation. the jackpot now jumps to $500 million. the second
not to raise taxes. that promise, that pledge, the brain child of anti-tax activist grover norquist, a long-time power broker in the gop. but the vote faced its first test last week when senator saxby chambliss said he was ready to break the promise. congressman king -- now senator lindsey graham has become the latest republican to say he would violate the pledge if democrats also showed willingness to rein in the nation's debt. >> i want to buy down debt and cut rates to create jobs. i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country. only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >>> >> let's bring in cnn political editor paul steinhauser. three republican lawmakers. it's not exactly a rebellion, right? >> not a rebellion yet. grover norquist, carol, was on cnn on "starting point" just an hour ago. he said you know what? if any of these lawmakers do make the pledge they have explaining to do to their voters. take a listen. >> if you want to go to your voters and say i promised you this and i'm breaking my promise, you can have that conversation with them. but you don'
to the pledge i know you signed with grover norquist. he said i'm okay with closing loopholes, but it has to be revenue neutral. but everyone knows to get a deal done, it can't be neutral. are you open to a deal that is not revenue neutral? >> what i'm open to is the idea of acknowledging the fact that we can bring in on average 18.5% of gdp through our revenue stream. that's what our tax system is capable of doing in the united states. that remains a constant. whether or top rate is at 35% as it is now or 75% as it was back in the early 1980s. that's a relative concept. what i want is for us to produce a steady stream of 18.5% rather than having these peeks and valleys. last year, we had a valley of about 14.5%. other years, closer to 20%. we want a steady, even, 18.5%. >> but to get from 14.5 to 18.5 is not revenue neutral. >> to get to there is not revenue neutral in the immediate sense, but what i'm saying is that if it produces on average 18% of gdp and that's going to keep us constant, that is arguably revenue neutral. in the long run, i think everyone would benefit. it would be rev
jersey congressman bill pascrell will be joining us, grover norquist, jamie rubin, dr. hanan ashrawi, will be our guest, peter billingsley from a christmas story, and grinle college hoops star jack taylor. remember him? big game he had the other day. and the one and only tony bennett, monday, november 26th. welcome, everybody, "starting point" this morning. is that a hint of compromise in the air on capitol hill? 35 days left till we reach the fiscal cliff. and a couple of key republicans are now suggesting that they're willing to forego their no tax pledge to try to get a budget deal done and avoid massive tax hikes, and spending cuts that will come in the new year. brand-new cnn/orc poll shows that is, in fact, affecting the american people. 68% say they believe falling off the fiscal cliff could trigger major problems for the country, maybe even a crisis. brings us to dan lothian at the white house this morning. dan, good morning. senate goes back to work this afternoon. the house will return tomorrow. what could really be done by lame duck congress? >> well, look, the hope is tha
are willing to walk away from grover norquist on the tax pledge. >> it's breaking out all over. sanity is contagious. >> now, the question is, is the president going to stay where he is and go, you know what? we're going to do it my way or no other way? we're going to raise it to 90 -- to 39.6%. steve rattner had a great column yesterday. >> it's a must-read. >> you know there's more than one way to skin a cat, more than one way to raise over a trillion dollars in revenues. it doesn't just have to be the president's way. is the white house going to insist on the 39.6% tax rate, or will they consider the loophole part of it plus capital gains, plus a couple of other things? >> well, it looks to me like the white house has learned something over the course of the last four years which is that you don't start a negotiation by negotiating against yourself. >> right. >> you know, the president's taking a hard line right now because he feels as though he campaigned on this issue pretty strongly for the past year. but the president has been willing to compromise on a lot of things in the past
's going to have to be some changes to entitlement reform. but grover norquist has been really the person pushing this no tax pledge, has been on our airwaves. he's been talking a lot about it. let's hear what he had to say about republicans who might break the pledge. >> no pledge taker has voted for a tax increase. they've had some people discussing impure thoughts on national television. the pledge is not for life. but everybody who signed the pledge, including peter king who tried to weasel out of it, shame on him as the new york sun said today, i hope his wife understands that commitments last a little longer than, than, than two years or something. >> and zoraida, there you have grover norquist -- >> weeks. >> -- of course, from the americans for tax reform throwing out some pretty strong political hyperbole. but the fact of the matter is, as you said, fiscal cliff, 35 days away, and as we've heard from a lot of economists, if congress can't fix this, then we're in a lot of trouble. we can be heading back into recession. >> mark preston live in washington, d.c. thank you for that. s
, there's one obstacle standing between congress and compromise, grover norquist. for years, norquist has bullied lawmakers willing to put their oath of office or promise to serve constituents ahead of their pledge to this anti-tax zell lot. >> the washington democrats, every dollar that's ever been secured for anything is sacred. every dollar secured for anything is sacred. and they'll defend it to the death regardless of what it means for jobs, or the economy. >>> coming up here, the it's top economic adviser alan krueger. clashes in cairo today, more protests in tahrir square against egypt's president morsi. we'll have a live report. move over george clooney the on yan's kim junge un the sexiest man alive and beijing doesn't get the joke. good day, i'm andrea mitchell live in washington. no joke today on capitol hill. ambassador susan rice's attempt to clear the air with republicans over benghazi did not work as the white house had hoped. senators mccain, ayotte and graham say they have more questions than they had before rice's comments about benghazi. >> we are significantly troubled
are telling grover norquist to take a hike with the "we won't raise taxes" pledge. >>reporter: the fine tuning is they are saying we are okay with close loopholes but they don't want to raise tax rates. the republicans are saying the survey done by a group calls the winston group, a republican research firm, says 65 percent of americans back tax reform and spending cuts over the raising of taxes. here is the senate republican leader on what the g.o.p. is offering. >> without compromising our principles we put skin in the game and recognition to the fact while democrats don't run this town, neither do we. we have been responsible even as we remain firm on this point. no tax increases now for promised spending cuts that you will not materialize later. the american people have seen that game before. they won't be fooled again. >> house republicans are planning to bring in on wednesday a number of c.e.o.'s of caterpillar, goldman sachs and all state and other key players on fiscal includes including erskine bowles co-author of the simpson-bowles and the republicans want the business community to h
. >> steve: grover norquist has hundreds of republicans to do that. clearly with the fiscal cliff comment and automatic spending cuts and taxes go up on everybody. something has to be done. the feeling is that it will happen two now. republicans have beenadament and said we can't raise taxes on anybody. and glover norquist said as long as you don't raise tax rates that is okay. and lindsay graham on that. >> i agree we shouldn't raise rates but i think grover is wrong to cap and buy down debt. what do you do with the money and i will violate the pledge for the good of the country only if the democrats do entitlement reform. >> gretchen: i think the pledge thing is good and bad. if you are a republican and believe that raising taxes is the wrong they think that and fine. but ham stringing politicians and many people lost election over there and turns out times change. peter king is also saying he's going to go against the pledge who agreed to it years and years and his reasoning that times have changed. here is the caviat . you are a republican and don't want to raise taxes and willing to
of grover norquist. but as senator lindsey graham says, rejecting the pledge comes with strings attached. >> i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> so get out the gun and hold it to our head, right? both democrat and republican w lawmakers are giving the impression that a deal can be reached as long as there are cuts near and dear to a lot of americans, medicare and medicaid. david plouffe's comments give credence to that idea. progressive lawmakers are thinking i thought we had the election. bernie sanders from vermont has spoken about the need to protect programs for the middle class. he released this statement to the ed show tonight what david plouffe has state concerns me deeply despite his assertions the american people have been clear both through their votes in the election and in poll after poll after poll at a time when the middle class is disappearing and the number of people living in poverty is at an all-time high. the american people have demanded there be no cuts to the social security, med
republicans. a lot are saying they will violate grover norquist's no tax pledge. >> this pledge goes back to 1986 and you're now seeing some republicans saying no i'm going to break this pledge. lindsey graham from south carolina, the most recent saxby chambliss did it the other day. those republicans senators up for re-election in 2014. maybe they'll face a challenge from the right. take a look at what lindsey graham said on the sunday talk shows. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid the coming grief, and republicans, republicans should put revenue on the table. we're this far in debt, we don't generate enough revenue. >> and that's his key difference here. he says he's okay with the no taxes but we do need to raise revenues and if that means cutting back on such things as tax rates, he will do it. also he says the democrats have to come forward here, as well. they have to do entitlements if he's going to break his pledge. zoraida? >> paul steinhauser live in washington for us. thank you. >> we're in the midst of the shopping f
entitlement problem. >> grover norquist talks about -- to be fair, he put a lot of republicans in a tough spot. you have got lindsey graham and steve king saying we understand it's a different day. megyn: this is what charles krauthammer. he says you are doing the same thing president obama is doing, making the debate about republicans and grover norquist rather than the huge deficit spending and the debt. >> here it comes down to the spending. even if the republicans go okay, forget grover norquist. the democrat, obama, they are not doing their part, point made. >> we'll see, we are not there yet. megyn: ladies, thank you so much. coming up. we want to show you what happened in this elevator that took freedom this point -- to this point. we'll debate whether the pranksters behind this are about to wind up in legal trouble. we'll show you have the tape next in "kelly's court." but when i was in an accident... i was worried the health care system spoke a language all its own with unitedhealthcare, i got help that fit my life. so i never missed a beat. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare.
's preference to grover norquist and doesn't want any taxes of any kind and republicans are very clear, they say raise tax revenue and would have to come through limits on deductions, not higher tax rates. however, on the other side of the aisle there's no movement from the democrats, carl levin says, yeah, raise tax rates on the rich. >> they have to go up either real tax rates or effective tax rates, there's ways of at that doing. secondly though we've got to close significant loopholes. >> movement on the republican side, not from the democrats. there are no meetings scheduled for talks for the congressional leaders, and they'll hit the road and sell tax on over a quarter million dollars. maybe he should bring warren buffett along, buffett says he's in favor of raising the tax rate on people making more than $500,000 a year. congress may have less time to figure this all out than we thought. the new rules go into effect january 1st, but we believe that christmas eve may be the real deadline because of course, of the holiday. that's the deadline. very close. high unemployment, slow economic gr
of the year. >> one of the sort of controversial men in the middle here has been grover norquist, one of the few guys in washington who goes by his own name, grover. his first name, i should say. there are reports that some republicans who signed his no tax hike pledge are backing away from him. in the "wall street journal" saturday, he said, no, nobody's backed off. what's the truth here? >> well, he's wrong about that. they are backing away from him. but i have to say, tyler, this is an issue that's much bigger than grover norquist pcht republican party has staked out tax issue for a long time. it is not because of one individual and the pledge, although he's done a very effective job of marketing that and marketing himself. this is about a stance of the republicans as the party of less government. democrats as the party of more government. but i do think because republicans lost the election, because they've had a difficult time, new york jets fans might recognizefy said they've had the equivalent of a butt fumble over the last couple of months. republicans are on the defensive. th
in their pocket or they're not. this is a game to nullify grover norquist. some members put forth an option to tax the first $400,000 of income and people making more than that at 35%. all that does is increase everybody's taxes over 400,000 by 30,000. somebody at 450,000 gets hurt badly and somebody at 20 million isn't touched at all. >> honestly, those are the number that is make some people's head spin and makes -- >> i understand, absolutely. >> and the average constituent say i don't know what's going on here. what is your message to folks? what should they be looking at and how do they figure out where they stand on this? as you may well know, the obama administration is trying to get all of those people who voted for the president to come on board and say this is what we want and to press congress to make a deal but it is sort of hard to figure out what is fair. >> exactly. i said to my staff last week we need a big charge that shows the options and how much money is delivered or caused by each step we might take. i think for the most americans they have to know that no matter what we do, t
. >> if grover norquist on the right and entrenched radical democrats, are they forcing deals like this? ralcorp -- >> no. you know what they are forcing? special dividends. >> yes, they are. >> declaring special dividends ahead of possible tax increases related to the fiscal cliff. las vegas sands, the largest single donor in the history of politics, has approved a special dividend. $2.75 a share. retailer dillard's says it will pay a one-time dividend of $5 in december and the home of jack daniels a cash dividend of $4 a share. i don't know how large the dillard family is. these dividends are very important to some of these families. the walton family when walmart did it saved $180 million as a result if in fact we see dividend taxes go to 39.6 from where they currently are. family run companies. sheldon is a big shareholder in las vegas sands. you pay a dividend and you are avoiding potentially an increase in the tax bill as a result of paying it earlier. >> adelson loses in the election so he realizes rates are going higher so he pays a special -- >> i don't know what the numbers add up to.
that no tax increase pledge that many of them signed, a pledge created by lobbyist grover norquist. house majority leader eric cantor, senator lindsey graham of south carolina and senator saxby chambliss of georgia all said there could be an increase in tax revenue if democrats agreed to controlling the cost of medicare and medicaid. >> there's a right way to do this and there's a wrong way to do it. but at the end of the day, nancy what's got to happen is whoever's right or wrong here we've got to get the economy going again. >> reporter: chambliss and virginia democrat mark warner head up the senate's gang of eight-- four democrats and four remembers who have worked for two and a half years to find a bipartisan approach to debt reduction. do you think your democratic colleagues are going to be willing to entertain discussion of social security reform, medicare reform as part of this deal? >> listen, i think anyone that looks at our entitlements, medicare, social security, other programs, they're great programs. but the math just doesn't work anymore. not because the programs are bad but
. remember that? it's a win-win to go over the clip. then you don't break the grover norquist pledge to raise taxes. which is why it's time to prepare for the failure of december talks. maybe we need the hardships main street middle class to become so clear that a compromise that abandons cherished principles may be the only way to avoid a recession, which would give other candidates a chance to rise up and take your seat in congress. hence why i'm not back with the 10% solution, a solution like how the dreaded tarp got through congress, so-called bank bailout. 10% after tarp was first rejected and congress people, constituents who own stock, people who can afford to contribute to campaigns, we better do some compromising. that could happen again if we don't get a deal by year end. it comes down to the final weeks of the year when it's clear we don't have a deal, some will sell their stock economically might save a ton taxes versus the 2013 tax code. the jobless claims that come out at 8:30, right now they aren't going up much because they aren't seeing lots of firings and they aren't going d
technically that goes against grover norquist's pledge. >> well, we've already put a plan out in the budget committee. as you said, i am a part of that budget committee. and we put out the fundamentals of that, where we would have a plan where we would have pro-growth tax reform, and that means something fairer, flatter and simpler, and a portion of that is to look at the deductions that right now really do benefit those in the upper income, and that we're willing to look at those, and to make sure that what we do does bring in more revenue by robust economy. >> and it wouldn't be a violation of a sort of a marriage vow to grover norquist. he has said that violating his pledge is somehow akin to, you know, violating your marriage vows. you don't -- your deal is with your constituents, not with grover norquist? >> that's right. that's exactly right. >> i want to talk a little bit about the debt ceiling because this is coming into play here. grover norquist, again, has written an op-ed mentioning the debt ceiling specifically. a new report for the bipartisan policy center said the ceiling mus
about breaking grover norquist's anti-tax pledge. you call him a genial man who has dangerously loopy ideas. >> let them say that about me. >> well, you know, he kind of -- that's kind of what i think about grover. and he says nobody is caving on the pledge, but, you know, spidery cracks are appealing in the ceiling. look, i think that would be a good thing. what would be really good. you were just talking to senator durbin. what would be really good is if this sort of bland smoke, frankly, senator durbin's a friend of mine. but this bland smoke we're hearing on entitlements from democrats and taxes from republicans, if -- behind closed doors they're able to talk more specifically. i think this is what represents, actually, some kind of progress and i'm starting to feel a bit more hopeful than i was a few weeks ago that maybe we're going to start to get somewhere. >> yeah. maybe. i don't know. >> do we still have senator durbin with us? >> yes, i'm still here. >> i don't think he's run away. >> senator durbin, can you talk about putting medicaid to the side, social security to the sid
kick in, in january. and grover norquist, the latest republican to break with norquist, no tax hike pledge. chambliss says he cares more about the country than the pledge. >>> and superstorm sandy has cost new jersey more than $29 billion. and the number could easily rise. governor chris christie says the number will only be known after taking into account next summer's tourist season. new york governor cuomo asking for $38 billion, to help with his state's recovery. >>> and after topless photos of the duchess of cambridge. the photos showed kate sun bathing with her husband on vacation at a private home in france. a french newspaper published the photos, the couple is reportedly taking legal action. >>> and was o.j. simpson actually responsible for nicole brown simpson and ronald goldman's murders? new evidence suggests that o.j. simpson was not the killer. >>> but first, were you the one of many who snatched up a good deal on a flat screen tv on this black friday? you might be surprised to find out that your good-bye may have been made in the old good old usa. christine roman show
that they are not obligated to this anti-tax pledge they all signed by grover norquist. does that suggest we're closer to compromise? >> we're closer but it may only be measured with a mike kromtcrometer. the big deal, how do you get it? the president said he doesn't see a way to get it without raising those tax rates on the most healthy. republicans, even those inches towards compromise saying yes, for revenue, but don't want to see rates go up at all. then it gets into a counting question. how much money can you get through fixing the tax code? once you tinker with the tax code you invite swarms of lobbyists and a timing question. can you raise enough revenue through tweaking the tax code by the end of the year to get something done or do you have to do a shoert deal and the harder work of tax reform later? there's entitlements major mentioned. >> also momentum and having the results of an election. do you feel that there is a difference this time so that maybe they can push it over the hill? >> certainly in talking to white house officials, they say, you know elections have a
mentioned is identified with americans for tax reforms grover norquist who has gotten many republicans to promise they won't vote to raise taxes. south carolina senator lindsey graham is pushing back saying capping deductions would help generate revenue. the top republic on the senate budget committee explained graham's position. >> he is conditioning any tax increase on fixing these programs, social security and medicare, particularly in making sure that they are sound for the future. so that's lindsey's position. and he has talked about accepting revenue to accomplish that goal. >> republicans continue saying they don't want to increase tax rates arguing that will hurt job growth. democrats say the middle class could be spared from a tax increase now. >> however as we continue to negotiate a responsible path forward i remind everyone within the sound of my voice of one fact. this congress is where one vote away from avoiding the fiscal cliff for middle class families and small businesses. >> republicans point to a study done by the winston group which is a republic research firm whic
come up frequently in the last week is grover norquist. eugene robinson writing perhaps an optimistic op-ed yesterday that says maybe the fever is breaking, maybe the delirrium is lifting. maybe republicans are asking themselves what were we thinking when we put an ya surds l unrealistic pledge to a lobbyist in washington. this comes on the heels of a few saying they might be open to tax. >> [ inaudible ] there's also, you know, the republican study committee and all of the kind of ideological mechanisms that have been pushing the republican party to the right. >> and the whole tea party. >> the tea party. >> and wealthy people. >> so that's the key here. for me what's interesting about this, this is a probe into the ceo's soul. if you look at cnbc, the ceos are going like the apocalypse. >> december 21st. >> and what's interesting here is, is the business community, the chamber of commerce, which has real leverage over the republicans, going to back up that emotion and push them to cut a deal even if at the risk of giving something on high marginal tax rates or will they not? will th
of strength. the republicans would be free from their pledge to grover norquist about not raising taxes. and we would be talking about who is going to get some tax relief -- middle-class families, you know, people with children, and other targeted cuts, and the republicans could say, gee, i wanted to give the rich a tax break but we just couldn't get there. but, hey, we helped ow 98% of the people in america. i think we'd be barg frng strength. i'm very worried that we're getting back to where we were two years ago where the president was put in a box or a year ago when the president got put in a box over the republicans threatening to defall on our debt. we need to bargain from a stronger position and going over this bump in the road would give us that. >> as you know, there are a lot of people who would disagree with you about that, not just about the financial numbers per se, say the $200 billion the president is talking act next year, but also from a psychological standpoint. we've already seen wall street reacting in a negative way, concerned exactly about what would happen if a de
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